Ask most men how the apps are going and you get a mood, not an answer. It has been slow lately. It was better last year. Nothing is happening.
That tells you nothing you can act on. There are three numbers underneath that mood, and the useful thing about them is that each one breaks in a different place.
Number one: how many of the women you like match back
This is the photo number.
She sees your first photo, maybe two more if the first one holds her, and decides in about a second and a half. Your bio is not in that decision. Your opener is definitely not in that decision. Nothing you say has happened yet.
So if you like a hundred women over two weeks and almost nobody comes back, the fault is in the images. Usually it is the first one. Sometimes it is that the set is six versions of the same photo taken in the same room.
Men hate this number because it is the one that feels personal. It is not personal. It is a photo selection problem, and it is the cheapest of the three to fix, because reordering the set costs nothing.
Number two: how many conversations reach a fourth message
This is the texting number, and it is the one almost nobody counts.
A match is not a conversation. Plenty of men have forty matches sitting in the app, of which thirty-four died after two messages. Counting matches makes that profile look healthy. Counting fourth messages shows what is actually happening.
The fourth message matters because it is roughly where a conversation either has somewhere to go or does not. Message one is your opener. Two is her being polite. Three is you asking a question. By four, either something has started or you are both filling in a form.
If your match number is fine and your fourth message number is bad, stop touching the photos. Your photos worked. The problem is what you send once she is there, and it is nearly always the same thing: your first message gives her nothing to answer with, so she answers with nothing.
Number three: dates on your calendar
This is the asking number.
Some men have decent photos, hold a conversation easily, and go months without meeting anybody. They are texting eight women at a time and none of it converts, because nobody ever proposes a specific evening at a specific place.
If your first two numbers are fine and this one is close to zero, you are not bad at dating apps. You are bad at ending the texting. The conversation becomes comfortable, and the ask starts to feel like it would break something, so you wait for a better moment that does not arrive.
That is a one sentence fix, and the sentence has a day and a place in it.
Why a single number on its own will lie to you
Any one of these read alone sends men off fixing the wrong thing.
A man with plenty of matches assumes he is doing fine, because matches are the number the app shows him. Meanwhile almost none of them get past a second message, which means he is congratulating himself on the part that already works.
A man with almost no matches rewrites his opener for a month. He is polishing a message that hardly any woman ever receives.
A man with good matches and good conversations decides he needs to be more interesting. He does not. He needs to say Thursday.
The three numbers together tell you which one of those men you are, and that is the whole point of counting them.
How to actually count them
You do not need an app or a spreadsheet, and you should not build one.
Open a note on your phone. For two weeks, keep three running tallies: likes you sent, matches you got, conversations that reached a fourth message, dates booked. That is four tallies, and the fourth one is usually a very short list.
Two weeks is enough. A weekend is not, because a quiet Tuesday and a busy Sunday look like completely different products.
At the end of it, look at where the drop is. Likes to matches, matches to real conversations, conversations to a date on a day. One of those three gaps will be much worse than the others, and that gap is your next month of work.
When you count and every number is bad
This happens, and it is worth being honest about rather than fixing in the wrong order.
The temptation is to work on all three at once. New photos, a new opener, and a promise to ask sooner. What usually happens is that nothing changes enough to notice and you cannot tell which change did what.
Go in order. Photos first, because the top of the funnel sets the size of everything under it. Then the texting, once you have enough matches for a pattern to be visible. Then the ask, which is the fastest of the three to fix once women are actually talking to you.
When the numbers are fine and the hours are not
There is one version of this where all three numbers are decent in a good week and the problem is that good weeks are rare.
The apps reward attention paid quickly. A reply that comes back within the hour goes somewhere. The same reply on Thursday night, to a woman who matched with eleven people on Sunday, usually does not. If your week is genuinely full, your numbers are not a skill problem. They are a time problem wearing a skill problem's clothes.
That is the case where handing the whole thing over is the sensible answer. Our team rebuilds the photos and the profile, then runs the apps day to day, swiping and texting on your account and working toward dates that land on your calendar while you get on with your week. Your first date within a week, or we keep working.
Written by Matthew Stevens, Co-Founder & Head Coach. More than half a decade coaching men across the US and worldwide.
Everything here comes out of real coaching work: the approaches, dates, texts and profiles we go through with the men we coach.
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