You have a drink more or less agreed. Then she sends "would you be up for a quick video call first?" and something in your stomach drops.
Most men read that message as a test they are about to fail. It is not a test. It is a screening step, and she is entitled to it. What you do in the next two messages decides whether you still have a date.
What she is actually checking
Very little of it is about how impressive you are.
She wants to know you are the man in the photographs. She wants to hear you talk for a few minutes so she knows a two hour evening will not be silent. And she wants to feel, before she tells a stranger which bar she will be sitting in on Thursday night, that you are a normal person.
That is the whole list. She is not scoring your job or your stories. She is deciding whether to spend an evening on you, and whether she will be safe doing it.
Women get asked out by men they have never seen move or heard speak. A fifteen minute call costs her nothing and removes most of the risk. If you had the same option before meeting a stranger from the internet, you would take it.
The two ways men lose the date here
The first is treating the request as an insult. "Ha, do I need to interview?" or "I would rather just meet in person, I'm not great on camera." You may mean it lightly. What she reads is a man who got defensive the first time she asked for something small, and she will picture the rest of the evening accordingly. Most women let that one fade rather than argue with it.
The second is quieter and far more common. You take the call seriously and you treat it as the date. You clear the evening, pour a drink, and talk for an hour and ten minutes. It goes well. And then nobody books anything, because you have already had the conversation you were going to have on Thursday, and the reason to meet has quietly gone.
One of those kills it in a message. The other kills it politely, a week later, in a thread that went cold and neither of you can remember why.
Say yes quickly and put a time on it
The best answer is one line with a detail in it.
"Sure. I'm free around eight tomorrow or nine on Wednesday, whichever suits."
That does three things at once. It says yes without making it a moment. It shows a week with things in it. And it moves the call from a vague idea to a specific evening, which is what stops it drifting for four days and dying there.
Keep it short and say so. "Fifteen minutes, I've got something after" is not rude. It is the most useful thing you can do, because it sets an ending, and an ending is what gives you a reason to ask her out before you hang up.
How to run the fifteen minutes
Sit with the light in front of your face rather than behind you. Point the camera at a room instead of a headboard. Prop the phone on something so your arm is not in the shot. That is the whole technical list and it takes two minutes.
Then talk like a person. Ask about the thing she mentioned in the app rather than starting at the beginning of her life. Tell a short story about your own week. Laugh at something.
The one habit that ruins these is interview mode. Question, answer, next question, answer. It happens when you are nervous, and it turns fifteen minutes into a job screening for both of you. If you catch yourself doing it, stop asking and say something instead. A statement gives her somewhere to go. A fourth question in a row does not.
Ask her out before you hang up
This is the part men skip, and it is why a good call can still end in nothing.
At around twelve minutes, while it is still going well, say the thing. "This was better than I expected. Let's get that drink. Thursday or Saturday?"
Then get off the call. Ending a little early, on a high, with a day agreed, is the outcome you want. Letting it run until the energy fades and then typing "well, that was nice" into the thread the next morning is what you get when you do not.
If you would genuinely rather not
You are allowed to prefer meeting in person. Say it as a preference, warmly, with something attached rather than a flat refusal.
"I'm terrible on camera, but happy to do it if it helps. Or we get a coffee somewhere busy on Thursday and you can walk off after twenty minutes if I'm a disaster."
That answers the real question, which was about comfort and safety, without making her feel she asked for something unreasonable.
When the calls go fine and the date still never happens
If you have had three or four of these, they were all pleasant, and none of them turned into an evening out, the call is not the problem. The ending is.
That is hard to see in yourself, because from the inside each one felt like a nice conversation. An hour with a coach, going through what you actually said and where you started hedging instead of naming a day, will usually find it in the first ten minutes. It is one habit, it repeats in every call you have, and once somebody says it out loud you can run the next one yourself.
Written by Matthew Stevens, Co-Founder & Head Coach. More than half a decade coaching men across the US and worldwide.
Everything here comes out of real coaching work: the approaches, dates, texts and profiles we go through with the men we coach.
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